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Learning happens in many ways. We create experiences that make complex ideas accessible—through games, podcasts, and hands-on workshops designed to meet you where you are.
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Our Podcasts
Conversations and explorations for those grappling with complexity, evaluation, and systems change.
The It Depends Podcast
with Matt and Tenille
Each episode, we grapple with questions that have no clear answers. For those working in evaluation, systems change, design, or complexity—this is the place to learn to sit with uncertainty.
A podcast where the answer to each question starts with "it depends..."
The Systems Sandbox
with Matt and Tenille
A limited series produced in partnership with VicHealth between 2024 and 2025, exploring systems thinking and complexity for anyone grappling with wicked problems. Originally designed for local government, but the episodes remain relevant for all.
13 episodes · Series complete
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What's in a System?
Short animations exploring the foundations of systems thinking and the dynamics of change.
Everything is a System
From atoms to solar systems, this animation illustrates a foundational idea: there is no "the" system. What we call the system depends entirely on where we draw the boundaries.
Plus three more animations exploring how systems resist, absorb, and push back against change efforts.
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Catalyst: The Systems Thinking Strategy Game
Learn systems thinking through play—no prior experience required.
Shift the system before time runs out
Catalyst was developed to solve a common problem: people want to learn systems thinking but don't know where to start. By blending tactile cards with engaging gameplay, Catalyst makes complex ideas accessible without overwhelming players.
Use it as an icebreaker, a team-building activity, or a low-tech way to introduce systems thinking to your organisation. Suitable for any context, sector, and experience level.
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Tailored Workshops & Training
Build lasting capability in your team through hands-on, engaging learning experiences.
Learning that sticks
We believe in building capability that lasts. Our workshops and training programs equip your team with practical skills in evaluation, systems thinking, and related methods—designed to be immediately applicable to your work.
Whether it's a half-day introduction or a multi-session deep dive, we design bespoke learning experiences tailored to your context, challenges, and goals.
- Systems thinking fundamentals and advanced practice
- Evaluation skills and frameworks
- Design and facilitation methods
- Developing games, play, and other interactive processes and tools for team learning
- Custom programs for your organisation's needs
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