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Conversations and explorations for those grappling with complexity, evaluation, and systems change.

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2 February 2026

#14 To Be a Good Human: Co-Design, Two-Way Learning, and Redistributing Power with Jessie Robinson

with Jessie Robinson, Founder, Mawang Consulting

Jessie Robinson on why co-design is about power, not process — and when stepping back matters more than stepping in. A conversation about First Nations ways of being, two-way learning, and what it takes to move beyond performative engagement toward genuine community-led change.

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17 December 2025

#13 Governance, Not Geography: Redefining What Place-Based Work Really Means with Luke Craven

with Dr Luke Craven, CEO, PLACE Australia

Luke shares PLACE Australia's defining insight from engaging with 53 place-based initiatives nationally: effective place-based work is fundamentally about governance, not geography. He outlines the three principles—subsidiarity, accountability, and partnership—that underpin meaningful practice, and explains why being "tight on purpose but loose on the how" might be the key to lasting systems change.

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4 December 2025

#12 Stories, Place, and Dishwashers: Rethinking Community Resilience with Gretel Evans

with Dr Gretel Evans, Research Fellow, Monash University

Gretel explores the intersections between storytelling, place, and community resilience. Drawing on her work with the Fire to Flourish program, she shares insights from the upcoming Community Disaster Resilience Capability Framework and explains why a commercial dishwasher might just be one of the best indicators of a resilient community.

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26 November 2025

#11 Foxes, Hedgehogs and Helpful Robots in the World of Evaluation with Bianca Montrosse-Moorhead

with Dr Bianca Montrosse-Moorhead, Professor of Evaluation, University of Connecticut

Bianca helps us look beneath the surface of evaluation practice. We explore the classic fox and hedgehog metaphor and what it reveals about how evaluators operate, why our tendencies matter, and how artificial intelligence is reshaping the judgments we make and the competencies we need.

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7 November 2025

#10 From Authority to Authenticity: Young Voices in Suicide Prevention Research with Maria Michail

with Dr Maria Michail, Associate Professor, University of Birmingham

Maria explores what happens when we stop treating suicide prevention as an individual issue and start seeing it as a system. Learn how participatory modelling can bring together lived experience and professional knowledge, why young people's voices are essential to meaningful research, and what it takes to shift from authority to authenticity.

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27 October 2025

#9 Co-Design and the Guiding Role of "Purpose" with Emma Blomkamp

with Emma Blomkamp, Director and Learning Partner, New Know How

Emma unpacks the shades of co-design—exploring when it works, when it doesn't, and why the "co" is really about power and participation. Learn how to assess your co-design maturity, avoid common pitfalls, and why getting clear on purpose should guide every decision in collaborative processes.

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13 October 2025

#8 Have a Cup of Tea: Bridging Complexity in Emergency Management with Todd Miller

with Todd Miller, Associate Director of Resilience, Auckland University of Technology

Todd explores why traditional command-and-control structures only tell part of the story in emergency management. Learn how his CADEM Framework uses systems thinking to recognise emergent actors—and why building trust over a cup of tea might be the most powerful preparedness strategy we have.

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29 September 2025

#7 Press Pause: Rethinking Systems and Evaluation with Emily Gates

with Emily Gates, Associate Professor of Evaluation, Boston College

Emily explores what it really means to evaluate systemic change—and why it starts with questioning boundaries, not accepting them. Learn why evaluators may need to act less like neutral judges and more like facilitators of critical deliberation, and why the field needs to pause and self-critique before rushing to do things differently.

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10 September 2025

#5 Beyond Cost-Benefit: Defining Value for Investment with Julian King

with Julian King, Director, Julian King & Associates

Julian introduces his award-winning Value for Investment (VfI) approach – an interdisciplinary framework that moves beyond traditional cost-benefit analysis. Learn how to define value propositions, use rubrics for transparent evaluative reasoning, and why stakeholder perspectives are essential for assessing what really matters.

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26 August 2025

#4 Context Matters! Designing and Scaling in Systems with John Gargani

with John Gargani, President, Gargani + Company

John explores the intersections of design, evaluation, and scaling impact. Learn why design and evaluation are inseparable, how the "classic" growth model of scaling falls short, and why context shapes everything when trying to create change at scale.

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15 August 2025

#3 Caring for Data, Caring for Country: Indigenous Data Sovereignty with Dr. Skye Trudgett

with Dr. Skye Trudgett, CEO, Kowa

Skye demystifies what Indigenous data sovereignty really means—"caring for data so data can care for Country and community"—and shares practical steps for implementation. Learn about common misconceptions, the importance of starting from community up, and the small but powerful changes that can shift systems.

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28 July 2025

#2 Blowing Bubbles: A Guide to the 2025 Australian Evaluation Conference

with Kim Grey, President, Australian Evaluation Society & Ruth Nicholls, Director, Australian Centre for Evaluation

Go behind the scenes with the co-conveners of the 2025 Australian Evaluation Conference in Canberra. Discover what's in store under the theme "Beyond the Bubble", including keynote speakers, sessions to watch, and why the magic of evaluation conferences lies in unexpected connections.

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20 July 2025

#1 Evidence, Ethics and Evaluation with Eleanor Williams

with Eleanor Williams, Managing Director, Australian Centre for Evaluation

A wide-ranging conversation on evidence, ethics, and embedding evaluation in the heart of public policy. We explore what makes evidence fit for purpose, relational commissioning, and the everyday ethical dilemmas evaluators face.

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